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Tonight on Cytics, a psychic shocks police with visions that lead them to the body of

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a slain child.

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After five minutes with her, she had a hundred percent of my attention.

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Now can she find the murderer?

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Then, starting videotape evidence may prove a monster lurks in Lake Champlain.

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We took the camp quarter out and then champed.

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There were several champs, we're back again.

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Welcome to Cytics.

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I'm Tim White.

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Many psychic detectives claim a high success rate in solving crimes.

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There are now a number of cases where police can actually admit that they've been helped

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by a psychic.

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One such case occurred in 1979 when psychic detective Kathleen Ray helped police find the

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body of a little girl who'd been murdered.

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The Cytics has asked Kathleen Ray to return to the scene of the crime to see if she can

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now identify the murderer.

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Fresno, in the heart of California's fertile central valley.

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It's a place where you can still find tranquil family farms, but it's also a place where

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tragedy has struck.

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On February 3rd, 1979, eight-year-old Victoria de Santiago, her sister Eva, and their dog

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all vanished.

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What really happened that day is still just speculation.

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The girls were last seen together at a neighborhood store.

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The counterman said that he remembers the girls coming in and he told them to go out

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because they couldn't bring the dog in.

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They may have been abducted outside.

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What we figured is that perhaps whoever this individual was was there in the parking lot.

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Perhaps a stranger grabbed the girl's dog and used him to lure Victoria and Eva into

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his car.

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One day later, three-year-old Eva was found.

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Victoria and her dog were still missing.

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She was a very beautiful little girl.

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She was always very protective of her sister.

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She said that her sister told the man to let her go and that she would stay and not to

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hurt her sister and to let her go.

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I just always remember that.

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So from that I know that she was just a very good person.

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The police exhausted all leads.

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Days then weeks passed with no new clues.

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No witnesses came forward.

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In my sleep I was dreaming about what can I do, what other avenues can I go.

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And it came to me in the dream.

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I mean I sat right up and her name was Kathleen Ray.

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Kathleen Ray is a psychic detective.

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She uses the powers of her mind to help law enforcement solve crimes.

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She claims she can see missing children, bodies, criminals and for the past 20 years she's

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been remarkably accurate.

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Kathleen Ray has gained a reputation for accuracy even among skeptics.

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Intuition is something that everybody has and the intuitive sense is a sense of feeling.

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But these feelings are something I've educated like you've educated your other senses to

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where I can use them more fully.

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Despite skepticism from the police, the DeSatiago family asked that Kathleen help find Victoria.

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When there's only a light shining out of total darkness you're going to walk towards that

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light whether it's the wrong way, the right way, it doesn't matter.

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It's a direction.

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I was told that a psychic was being brought in and I was going to fly to San Jose to meet

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this psychic and I thought I'm going to fly up there and I'm going to meet this lady wearing

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gypsy clothes.

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She's going to take me in this house, we're going to burn some incense, we're going to

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rattle some bones.

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She's going to throw some dust around in the air and tell me something that's totally

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irrelevant to the case.

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I am not doing what you see in these great horror movies.

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I don't suddenly grab my head and fall down and say oh they hit me in the head or oh

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this poor person's been stabbed.

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I don't do that.

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I'm more like an objective bystander.

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The psychic part of this was just way off, it didn't make sense to me.

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How somebody 180 miles from here is going to tell me how to find a body in my town.

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It's really taking feelings up and bringing a whole picture and holding that picture long

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enough.

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Just like going to a movie or turning the TV on and seeing a picture of part of your face.

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I didn't believe it but after five minutes with her she told me enough stuff that she

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had a hundred percent of my attention.

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I was believing in her.

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It was the beginning of an unlikely partnership.

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The sergeant, the psychic and the family.

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All I could think of asking her was did she have to go through a lot of pain?

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I felt that Victoria at this point was still barely alive, just barely.

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The family hoped that they weren't too late, that Victoria was still alive and Catlin could

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lead them to her.

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She told me the road she was on was not a well-traveled road.

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I saw this plowed field.

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I knew the field had just been plowed.

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Kay said she's laying parallel to the road.

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I feel she's laying parallel to the road with her face towards the road.

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I'll see the bushes, the trees, the poultry farm.

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Kay said that when I found the body there would be chickens.

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She said I get chickens around the body.

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Chickens, chickens, chickens.

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There has to be a farmer whose name starts with an S. There has to be a street that starts

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with an L. There has to be a windmill.

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After my interview with Kay, as I was walking out the door and I'll never forget this, she

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stopped me.

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She grabbed my arm and she said Tim, find the dog and you'll find Victoria.

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Back in Fresno, pursuing conventional leads, Sergeant McFadden's partner, Detective Pope

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Joy, found the dog.

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Detective Pope Joy was at the house where the dog was found.

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He verified it was the dog.

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So I asked Detective Pope Joy, I said, well, are there chickens out there?

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So I asked the ranch and the farmer, and I said, is there a poultry ranch here?

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He said yes, just south of here, about a quarter of a mile, there's an abandoned poultry ranch.

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Detective Pope Joy, he came and he got the call on the dog and he came out here and talked

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to the farmer that found the dog and he found it down here a little ways and brought it

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back to this house.

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When I was talking to him on the phone, he said there wasn't a windmill.

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It was a situation that I'll never forget as long as I live, was him on the phone to

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me and we are talking about this windmill and I'm telling him there's no windmill here

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and the landowner standing behind me said, oh yeah, you just walked by when it's in the

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front yard.

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As I'm telling him things that should be there, and he's confirming these back to me that

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Kay said would be there, I'm getting higher and higher.

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Wow, wow, we are, this gal is, this gal does know what she's talking about.

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We immediately called for officers to respond and it was from him telling me what she saw

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145 miles away.

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The police dispatched a search team that had been briefed on Kathleen's psychic visions.

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The L, they were on Leonard Street.

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The S, it was on the mailbox, the first letter of the farmer's last name.

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And by the side of the road, they found Victoria.

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Her naked body was in an irrigation ditch under the largest tree in the area, all as

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Kathleen had described.

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Victoria had been sexually assaulted, then left to die.

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She had been killed like an animal and she was still alive in a coma, suffering right

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there in the little trench.

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And Kathleen Ray found that as she described it to the team.

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After the body was discovered, Kathleen returned to her home in San Jose and the police continued

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to search for Victoria's killer.

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But 13 years later, the murderer is still at large.

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Sightings has brought Kathleen Ray back to Fresno, back to the place where Victoria's

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body was found to get new psychic impressions.

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When I go to the man that did this, he has stubby hands and their hands are labor.

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I don't feel like he's here anymore.

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I want to go further south to a town, start with an S and that he's working down there

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now.

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This man is not very tall.

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I would say, oh, maybe five foot nine.

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I feel this man has killed another child since then.

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There is a wife or a girlfriend.

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He goes back to at times.

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And I feel like it's probably a wife and he's not with her all the time.

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And she's frightened of him.

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I know she knows he's violent.

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He's a very violent person.

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And had we had a drawing of him like he can do now with the police artist, she'd recognize

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him on television.

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If you believe Kathleen Ray, this is a charcoal drawing of Victoria to Santiago's murderer.

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He killed Victoria and Kathleen believes another child since then.

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And he's still out there.

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I believe it could be solved.

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Somebody out there, somebody somewhere has got to know more about this, but they've never

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come forward.

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Although Kathleen's work in this case proved to be extremely accurate, cases like this

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are the exception, not the rule.

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And the use of psychics in police investigations is still not accepted by many departments

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around the country.

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Kathleen Ray's case was one of those cases.

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And the hits were so specific.

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And the data checked out all the way down the line from the reporters to the psychics

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themselves to the families of the victims to the police.

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It was rather unnerving.

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But for the DeSantiago family, a psychic detective made a difference.

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The discovery of their daughter 13 years ago has brought the family a small measure of

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peace.

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Thank you, God.

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Thank you for finding Toria's body.

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Thank you for giving me Kathleen Ray.

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And now they hope her vision of the killer will bring the case to a close.

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My only release of mental anguish is to say something positive, warn people.

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Look it, they're not just going to steal your car.

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They're going to steal your child.

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Is this the face of a murderer?

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Kathleen Ray sees him in her mind's eye when she thinks of Victoria.

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If you have additional information about this crime, please contact the Fresno Police Department.

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Despite the good work of psychic detectives like Kathleen Ray, there are unscrupulous

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people posing as psychics who prey on unsuspecting families.

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How do you protect yourself?

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Experts suggest that you follow all recommendations of the police.

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And if you do contact psychics, thoroughly check out their references.

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Make sure they don't have criminal records and never give them money up front.

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Coming up, does an underwater creature terrorize the citizens of upstate New York?

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I started screaming in fear.

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Startling videotape may prove a monster lurks in Lake Champlain.

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Recently, sightings half a world apart have renewed interest in the possibility that Lake

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Monsters are real.

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At Loch Ness in Scotland, Operation Deep Scan tracked a large creature through the water

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for more than two miles.

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At Lake Champlain in New York State, a sightings crew has been monitoring strange lake activity

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reported by dozens of credible eyewitnesses.

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It's hard to imagine, but the natural serenity of Lake Champlain is being disturbed.

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Disturbed by a monster, reportedly lurking just below the surface of the lake.

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Thousands of a long serpent-like creature have been reported for nearly 300 years.

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A pioneers powderhorn dated September 29th, 1700 bears the earliest recorded image of

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the Lake Champlain monster.

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Sightings have continued to the present day, but aren't often discussed in public.

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Probably 99% of the people have seen it, but they won't talk about it because you do get

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some ridicule.

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Lake Champlain is located on the border between New York and Vermont, extending northward

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into Quebec province in Canada.

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The locals have affectionately dubbed the monster Champ, but there is surprisingly little publicity

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or commercialism associated with this sea serpent.

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Only now, in the wake of new scientific information about the Loch Ness monster, have eyewitnesses

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felt that they won't be ridiculed for coming forward.

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You could see underneath the water, it was huge, black matter, it was just monster.

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It was scary, it was that big.

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You could see it had a definite body, a shapeful body, then you could see it definitely had

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a neck and a head.

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Then all of a sudden, up out of this water came this big black thing.

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I mean, it was huge, black and shiny, and then it went away.

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It wasn't a ripple or anything.

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And I got the pictures of it just going under the water, and you can see the little bumps,

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two bumps.

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I started as a disbeliever.

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I went right on past being a believer into a knower.

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Four of us were out on the boat, looking, just taking an evening sail.

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And it was at that point, with no expectations of anything, that we began to see some very

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strange things going on.

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Up came the neck and the head, literally like my hand is doing.

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It turned and it looked at me and it turned and it went right back down into the water.

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We took the camcorder out and then, in fact, Champs, or several Champs, were back again.

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I started screaming in fear.

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I found myself climbing on the canvas top of my boat, which I know doesn't hold me.

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That's how scared I was.

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At this point, my wife and daughter spot one of the creatures out in the distance and I

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zoom in on it so that you can see it.

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And there's, you can see one of the humps sticking up out of the water.

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There's two.

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Two in the middle is four.

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One of the left out front is five in a row.

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And now what we spot out there is some fins or flippers and you can see them flipping

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back and forth on the water.

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I was in the canoe heading to the boat.

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My daughter saw him.

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She said, Dad, there's something out there.

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And I looked and there was Champ.

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You know, this neck and head out of the water moving towards Scott's bonnet.

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You see a creature with a long neck and it looks like a Volkswagen's body when it first

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see it in the video.

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It's floating across the water and then it stops and it starts thrashing in the water

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and you see a neck and head.

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And then he swings his neck around and lifts his tail up, swings his entire body around

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and lifts his neck and head out of the water entirely.

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My wife and I were on our way to a picnic and on the way I decided to pull over at a

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lookout point just to take some scenic view.

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I noticed something out in the distance about half mile out.

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At first I thought it was a large tree stump.

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It wasn't bobbing.

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It was moving deliberately and all of a sudden I saw it bend over, snake-like and dive into

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the water.

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Considering the varying locations of the sightings and the diversity of the witnesses, among

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them a teacher, a therapist, a restaurant owner, an engineer, a corrections officer,

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the possibility of a massive hoax is highly unlikely.

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Certainly residents here are not trying to cash in on the Lake Monster's notoriety.

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There are no souvenir shops, no public references to the creatures sighted here.

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ChampQuest is one notable research organization operating on the Lake, headed by Dennis Hall

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and his partner Richard Dool.

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The sole purpose is to collect definitive evidence to prove the existence of the creatures.

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We are already convinced that they are real.

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We have to present this to the scientific community.

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There are some very big specimens seen in the lake, eyewitness descriptions.

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The average size is 20 to 30 feet, but there have been sightings where it was seen much

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larger.

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There was a sighting this year on August 1st on the next point down on a place called Texaco

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Beach.

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What we should do is look for some high mounds.

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There may be a feeding area around here.

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There's one right about here, you're looking about 30 feet of water.

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Yeah.

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I think you could make a dive today.

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No problem, let's go see if he's home.

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Alright.

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A lot of people believe that there is one wretched creature that's been in the lake for a millennia

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and that's really absurd.

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There would have to be a breeding colony to subsist this long.

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Despite numerous documented sightings, few scientists can agree on what type of creature

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Champ is likely to be.

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Theories range from a snake-like zoobladon, thought to be extinct for the last 20 million

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years, to another extinct reptile, the plesiosaur.

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There's no geological evidence that the plesiosaur or anything like that survived beyond the

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Cretaceous extinction 60 million years ago.

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On the other hand, the seawall canth was only discovered in the late 1930s, that fish, and

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that had been extinct also for over 60 million years.

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If it is a plesiosaur in Loch Ness and Lake Champlain, why would these creatures survive

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when so many others from those areas were extinct?

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Crocodiles survived, and they can get up to 20 feet or more.

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Various groups survived.

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It's possible that in certain areas that some species may have survived the extinction,

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especially when we're not really certain as to what caused the extinction.

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Loch Ness and Lake Champlain are very similar geologically.

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They're deep glacial lakes that were at one time arms of the sea.

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So one could say there were marine animals living in these open lakes, and as the land

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roars, they could have been sort of isolated.

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And it's the same geology in both lakes.

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One of the most compelling pieces of evidence supporting the plesiosaur theory is this recently

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discovered 1938 photograph of a bizarre carcass removed from a whale's stomach.

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Some experts have speculated that this could be the skeleton of a baby plesiosaur consumed at sea,

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suggesting the plesiosaur, like the Silicanth, may not really be extinct.

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There may be all kinds of things there that we don't know about.

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The thing about it is I think you have to keep an open mind and see what else comes up.

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Do monsters really exist, or can these pictures be explained by existing natural phenomena,

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like otters feeding fish or fallen logs?

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Eyewitnesses believe wholeheartedly in the existence of Champlain,

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but until indisputable evidence is brought to the scientific community,

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the monster like Champlain will remain a mystery.

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Coming up next, with the tragic fire at Windsor Castle,

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has the British family's royal curse struck again?

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The Queen speaks out in a special update next.

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Recently on sightings, we investigated a supposed curse placed on Britain's royal family.

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The curse dates back to the early 17th century,

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when members of the Ogilby clan in Scotland were believed to have cast a spell on the Queen Mother's family and all her descendants.

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The Queen Mother's ancestor, the Lord of Glombs, is rumored to have murdered several members of the Ogilby family,

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leading to a curse and perhaps centuries of doom and misfortune.

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The story says that what he did was to give them shelter in a small room,

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but then he closed them in and eventually that room was walled up, and of course they died a terrible death.

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In recent weeks, speculation about a royal curse has been increasing in Great Britain,

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especially in light of a string of tragedies that have befallen the royal family.

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Prince Charles and Princess Diana have now publicly admitted that their marriage has failed,

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and shortly after the news of Charles and Diana's impending separation, another tragic blow.

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The royal family's ancestral residence, Windsor Castle, went up in flames.

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The damage was extensive and increased pressure has been placed on the royal family to assume some of the financial burden for reconstruction of the castle.

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How has the right honourable gentleman ruled out contributions from the royal family,

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and would he welcome such a contribution if it were often?

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Even Queen Elizabeth has come forward to address her country's concerns.

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In a rare display of emotion, the Queen publicly admitted that the royal family's problems are having a traumatic effect on the monarchy.

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1992 is not a year on which I shall look back with undiluted pleasure.

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The words of one of my more sympathetic correspondents, it has turned out to be an anus horribilis.

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If the royal family is being plagued by a centuries-old curse, then it has come dangerously close to fulfilling its evil intent.

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It was a curse after all that some say was meant to destroy the House of Windsor,

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and ultimately bring down the last great monarchy on earth.

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We'll keep you updated in future editions of sightings.

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